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I mostly agree, because it's more expensive to maintain a good Flash site and keep a reasonable amount of SEO.
But, for web apps, Adobe Flex is a pretty good platform that is getting some adoption.
Some of the biggest usability complaints with Flash sites are that you can't bookmark "deep links" in websites or use the browser's "back " button. There are workarounds for those issues now, but, most Flash sites still haven't implemented them.
I believe the Flex SDK was released under the Mozilla Public License and Flex Builder source code under the Eclipse Public License http://www.adobe.com/go/4b243413 (includes downloads), but note that Flex and Flash remain proprietary.
The adoption will be driven by the fact that Flex is an Adobe loss leader; free to poor students and educators https://freeriatools.adobe.com/flex/
Adobe educational discount bait is available on a confusing array of excellent but otherwise over-priced products, the aim being to establish future dependency among the initiated.
A noticeable difference between http://adobe.com and http://adobe.com/uk/ is the omission of the prices on the UK pages, likely because people baulk at them being considerably higher than the US. UK customers must enter the UK store before they can to see price, by way of an example using the price of Adobe Photoshop CS4 Extended on of Wed 4th Feb 2009, UK customers are charged £917.32 for a download and £868.25 for the shipped version. Even when tax is taken into account, the differences are an unjustifiable rip-off.
I just met with a colleague last week who put a Flash front-end on Drupal using Flex. So, all Drupal's content management features, but publicly presented in Flash. Wild stuff.
What about people who just want the information fast and be done with it?
What about people who can't create a well architected Flash site?!
I love Flash ~ But all over the web with no semantic sugar ~ has been bastardizing the WWW in my opinion.
I want to make it perfectly clear... I love Flash & Silverlight for that matter.
Flash applied; after progressively enhancing a page, can be an extremely sharp arrow in your quiver, but it shouldn't be the whole bundle.
Anyway, I didn't complain did I? :-)
Of course, if the whole point is art, motion, video, sound, compelling RIA's, solid fonts, somewhat safe copyrighted material, etc. - and that's what the visitor is expecting, then "by all means" - Flash-On! ;-)
IMHO I consider flash to be exactly that. Flash. It is nice if you want to be fancy but since most mobile users can't do flash, or the flash is very very sloooowww, and flash is very hard to get to register on SEO then I trend to avoid it.
The way I look at it the plash player causes havok with browsers, Slows down load time and is the number one cause for browser crashes. If you want to lose me as a buying customer make me wait 20-30 seconds for the flash splash screen to load. Look for me at your competitor who just lets me get what I want.
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No flames here, I agree with you. Canvas is the new Flash. Just add Javascript.
https://developer.mozi...as_tutorial
I mostly agree, because it's more expensive to maintain a good Flash site and keep a reasonable amount of SEO.
But, for web apps, Adobe Flex is a pretty good platform that is getting some adoption.
Some of the biggest usability complaints with Flash sites are that you can't bookmark "deep links" in websites or use the browser's "back " button. There are workarounds for those issues now, but, most Flash sites still haven't implemented them.
I believe the Flex SDK was released under the Mozilla Public License and Flex Builder source code under the Eclipse Public License http://www.adobe.com/go/4b243413 (includes downloads), but note that Flex and Flash remain proprietary.
Here is more info on flex http://www.adobe.com/support/flex/
The adoption will be driven by the fact that Flex is an Adobe loss leader; free to poor students and educators https://freeriatools.adobe.com/flex/
Adobe educational discount bait is available on a confusing array of excellent but otherwise over-priced products, the aim being to establish future dependency among the initiated.
A noticeable difference between http://adobe.com and http://adobe.com/uk/ is the omission of the prices on the UK pages, likely because people baulk at them being considerably higher than the US. UK customers must enter the UK store before they can to see price, by way of an example using the price of Adobe Photoshop CS4 Extended on of Wed 4th Feb 2009, UK customers are charged £917.32 for a download and £868.25 for the shipped version. Even when tax is taken into account, the differences are an unjustifiable rip-off.
I just met with a colleague last week who put a Flash front-end on Drupal using Flex. So, all Drupal's content management features, but publicly presented in Flash. Wild stuff.
I went to a couple of presentations at Drupalcon last year on Flex and Drupal...
http://boston2008.drup...ered-drupal
AMFPHP seems to be a really good way to asynchronously fetch content.
http://www.adobe.com/d...pal_03.html
But...
I've yet to find a client that cares enough about both Flash and SEO to want to pay for twice (or more) the amount of work.
I have thought about doing it for my own site, but for now I'm using small and non-essential bits.
I couldn't give it a vote because...
But what about blind people?
What about people who just want the information fast and be done with it?
What about people who can't create a well architected Flash site?!
I love Flash ~ But all over the web with no semantic sugar ~ has been bastardizing the WWW in my opinion.
I want to make it perfectly clear... I love Flash & Silverlight for that matter.
Flash applied; after progressively enhancing a page, can be an extremely sharp arrow in your quiver, but it shouldn't be the whole bundle.
Anyway, I didn't complain did I? :-)
Of course, if the whole point is art, motion, video, sound, compelling RIA's, solid fonts, somewhat safe copyrighted material, etc. - and that's what the visitor is expecting, then "by all means" - Flash-On! ;-)
I could give it a vote because... ---^
IMHO I consider flash to be exactly that. Flash. It is nice if you want to be fancy but since most mobile users can't do flash, or the flash is very very sloooowww, and flash is very hard to get to register on SEO then I trend to avoid it.
The way I look at it the plash player causes havok with browsers, Slows down load time and is the number one cause for browser crashes. If you want to lose me as a buying customer make me wait 20-30 seconds for the flash splash screen to load. Look for me at your competitor who just lets me get what I want.